Commissioner Needs Advice???

TBK2131 · Rookie Joined: 16 Jun 2009 Posts: 20

I have run a league for 11 years now and we have never had any real big issues. I have felt we have had very good rules in place and if any issues arise we had dealt with pretty well. When it comes to trading players in the league we have let each individual decide if they want to make a trade on their own. But for the third year in a row we have two teams making a trade where team A has a winning record and is getting a stud player from team B who has only 1 win and is getting players that really dont make the trade fair. As I have said I usually let the teams make whatever trades they want but I think several teams in the league are getting frustrated by these unfair trades. (Before I forget the two teams trading are friends) I had several owners make comments to the two owners at the draft this year about the trades in the past. One of problems is whenever we have had any kind of issue we usually made up a rule at the next years draft, but this time I kinda feel like I need to get involved and do something about the upcoming trade. Like I said many owners feel it is very unfair. I really could use some advice, should I step in even though I have never done so before or should I let the trade go through and wait to next years draft to solve the issue. Also we have been debating what kind of system to use for the trades. We are considering having all owners voting, but i still have issues on what if a trade is offered on sunday before the games. Sometimes its hard to contact owners right before kickoff. So if anybody has a good system to use in the future I would love to hear it. ANY ADVICE IS WELCOMED!!! thanks

BBE1 · Veteran Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 218

whats the trade?

TBK2131 · Rookie Joined: 16 Jun 2009 Posts: 20

Andre Johnson and J. Stewart for M. Manningham and Ronnie Brown and actually this has been the fairest trade they have summitted in the past they have really been horrible. The team getting Ronnie Brown already has M. Forte, L. McCoy, J. Stewart and Ricky Williams and his wr are A. Bryant, D. Mason, S. Moss, D. Avery. Me and alot of other owners feel he should get alot more to give up Andre Johnson.

Bo_34 · All Pro Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Posts: 522

make it that a majority of the teams must approve..if its a league with friends (and since it has been a league for 11 yrs i imagine it is) then there should be no problem..also have the commish talk a few secs with each owner and give their reasons for the way they voted and let the commish make the final decision

BBE1 · Veteran Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 218

i don't know - i think the side getting AJ is winning the deal but the other teams RB's are not good. and getting Brown helps, Brown is a stud. i do not think this is a veto-able deal. Maybe others will disagree. it would help make the deal more fair if the team bettered Manningham.

Saints82 · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject:

I am one of the players he is refering to. Let me elaborate.

In our league our trades go by two players agreeing then the commish approving. The commish has made trades before with his friends in the league and nobody questioned it. Well i just made a trade that the commish didn't like and he changed to rule mid season that all the teams have to vote, yet he didn't apply this rule to a trade from last week that i feel was very unfair. Tell me which trade you think is worse or if any of them or fair at all

My trade that is being voted on by the midseason rule change:
R. Brown (102 total points in our league)
Housh (50 points)
Manningham (69 points)
for
A. Johnson (96 total points)
J. Stewart (71 points)

Trade that wasn't voted on (b/c in my opinion commish and this owner are cool like that):
Lynch (35 points)
Jennings (42 points)
L.T. (31 points)

for
Ward (72points)
D. Jackson (78 points)
Westbrook (44 points)

You tell me if this midseason rule change is fair and if either or both of these trades are unfair or fair?

Dapostman · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject:

In head 2 head football a trade is a trade. There is no guarantee that A Johnson or whoever will lead their team to the championship. This is why I never veto trades or ask any owners to vote. If your owners feel it is unfair have them make a better offer for A Johnson. Obviously he is on the block. If this is legit the owner dealing A Johnson will take the better deal.

Under no circumstances should a rule be changed mid-season.
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jsearcy111 · Veteran Joined: 05 Aug 2009 Posts: 76

TBK2131 first off let me tell you that I am also a commish and face daily issues. BUT.. That doesnt gives us as commish's the right to say what a fair trade is or not. They have their reasons for wanting AJ or Ronnie Brown and you may never understand their side. If it is not a honest player dump i.e. Ronnie Brown for say Jamal Charles or AJ for for Donnie Avery, you have to let it go. He may be helping his friend out, but the bottom line is one is giving up a stud for another. Whos to say that AJ falls flat on his face the rest of the year, Ronnie may go for 25 TD's. We dont know the answer and wont till season end. With that said you cant let your personal opinions of a good team getting better obstruct your judgement. That is the purpose of trading, to increase your odds of winning. Also never ever change the rules mid season, that shows a lack of integrity on your part. You need to let this trade go and only intevene when someone is "dumping" their players. You dont want to get stuck i the middle of judgeing fair trades. You will know when its dumping and then you can jump in. Hope this helps!

Saints82 · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:55 am Post subject:

To make sure i explain this in a fair way, the Commish did say he asked a few of the other owners in the league and they all agreed on the rule change. Doesn't mean i agree with it and i wasn't asked b/c it was about me which i don't think should matter, if the rule effects the league i should get my vote regardless. Now i do see the point of view of the commish and few other owners who don't like me and my friend trading, but we never player dump and sure i may look at teams that are struggling and if i have a position they need i offer up a trade. I don't wanna create a rift especially since most of the owners in this league are not just friends but family, my brother, cousins, uncle, etc.

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Dammit · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:00 am Post subject:

I agree with Football Buddah. You do not change any rules during the season.
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Dammit · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:01 am Post subject:

TK.... Send me an email if you would like some advice.
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latewood · Rookie Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Posts: 5

I concur. changing the trade rule in the middle of league is generally not done; especially after other "same" issues have passed. However; If you need to or try to...You must allow all managers a voice.

On this trade; It is a bit lopsided, but not totally one sided re: one stud for the other. The previous trade by the commish was just as lopsided.

In closing. You should not change this rule, this season. You might not like the 2 friends trading, but, there you go.

Before next year set a rule in stone. Generally 3 players descending veto a trade. I would not rely on entire league. In our family/friends league of 14 years, we do not veto trades, but no one trades lopsided, ever. We started out and had veto after 3 descending votes for the 1st 3-4 years.

Good Luck

Oh I see credentials from some. I have 7 championships (yahoo, nfl, rtsports), and commish 3 leagues for several years. I currently have a Yahoo team that is 8-0.

Later

agiffey · Rookie Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Posts: 33

I commish a 5 year dynasty league and I have written in our rules that any actions determined detrimental to the integrity of the league will be fined and/or have the actions reversed. Now that being said, the trade you are speaking of would not qualify IMO. It would have to be a VERY lopsided trade forr me to reverse it. Fitz & Chris Johnson for Eddie Royal & Larry Johnson for instance. BTW, the same rule also covers teams that may try to start players injured or on a bye to improve their draft position or result in an easy win for the opposing team.